34 thoughts on “The Giant Squid post comes later.”

  1. Who’s the arbiter, anyways? Who makes such lists? Rail against the canon-formation!!


    …according to the Science Fiction Book Club.*whistles*

    As to canon-formation, I’m sort of for it.


    1. That’s an organization of individuals who retain their anonymity through being an organization. I know it was this group, but who are they? Why are those people the organizers? Saying its the SFBC doesn’t tell me anything.

      1. From their FAQ:BOOKSONLINE.com is the premier direct marketer of general interest and specialty book clubs. With more than 8.5 million members, and over 40 book clubs including Book-of-the-Month Club®, The Literary Guild®, Quality Paperback Book Club®, and Doubleday Book Club®. Created in March 2000, BOOKSONLINE.COM is a partnership between Doubleday Direct, Inc. (owned by Bertelsmann Inc.) and Book-of-the-Month Club Holdings LLC (owned by Time Inc., a unit of AOL Time Warner Inc.)….which is to say that they are The Man.

        C’mon. You won’t let me be even a little smarmy? Sheesh. 🙂

  2. Well, to be fair, it’s a list of ‘most influential’ books, not ‘best books’, and as far as I can tell The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant is considered something of a classic.

    I’m not sure by WHO, since I’ve never met someone who actually finished the damn book, but. It IS famous.

    The list seems heavily weighted towards SciFi instead of fantasy to my eyes, also. You’d think Mercedes Lackey WOULD be on there, since she’s pretty much the reigning queen of angsty mediocre fantasy that seems to be designed to appeal to teenage girls, which is a pretty enormous genre these days.

    At least there’s no Terry Goodkind.

      1. I read most of her stuff in highschool because the public library had it and it was o.k. Not great but readable. I didn’t even know about the Misty thing until recently, when some girls were going on and on about her in a forum.

      2. I totally loved that series when I was a 16 year old girl in high school.

        I was flipping through it this summer and oh god, is it ever hilarious. The angst! The magical telepathic horses! No one understands poor Vanyel!

        I think my favorite part is when they tell you about how between book 1 and 2, Vanyel apparently went out and kicked the ass of an evil wizard by turning his own summoned demons against them. You’d think book 2 would be about THAT, but they totally skip that part to talk about Vanyel’s overwhelming angst.

        It does kind of weird me out, though, that the main character in every single one of her books (that I’ve read, anyway) gets raped, sometimes multiple times.

      3. I don’t think I could read Vanyel again and take it seriously – I just remember really liking it (oh was I into the angst. 😉 ) But I do remember a WHOLE bunch being missing between book 1 and 2. Book 2 is very boring!

        And yeah, that is WAY weirding out. Rape happens in at least every storyline (Vanyel, Tarma, Talia, etc.)


      4. Heh, I feel like I’m spamming ‘s journal here, but hey. Discussion!

        The thing that got me about book 3 in the Vanyel series was that while people will angst for chapters and chapters about absolutely nothing, Vanyel gets raped and she glosses over the whole thing so much that he’s pretty much fine in a couple of pages. I mean, here’s a chance to angst about something that actually matters, and she totally misses the boat. Maybe it was too difficult to write or something.

      5. (Yeah, sorry !)

        The whole Vanyel-being-raped thing was way traumatic for me when I read it because I was like “dear god! poor Vanyel!” but then he’s just magically better a chapter later because of the Tayledras. *sigh* If you’re going to write something, write it. Don’t shirk.

        It’s the Sunshine thing ( will know what I mean.)

      6. Wasn’t there a talking wolf involved in that whole bit?

        People could be spared years of trauma and therapy if we just found some talking wolves and magical gay hawk-people.

      7. Yes, there was a khree (I think that’s what they’re called) involved.

        BWAHAHAHA. Magical gay hawk-people who greatly resemble Native Americans and who clearly smoke WAY too much peyote for their own good.

        It’s the magic of magic, baby. Magical-gay-hawk-people can make everything better. 😉

      8. See, I came to the Vanyel stuff too late. MY big thing was the Knight of Ghosts and Shadows stuff. Elves, motorcycles, renfaires, my first encounter with a kitsune. I was so hooked.


      9. *giggles madly* I got a D in math because of Vanyel. >.>

        I read the Bardic stuff very last…and kinda wished I had read those before the others. I actually enjoyed them, even though I read them late.

        C’mon….elf-horses that were motorcycles? I loved it. 😉

        Now…if only she’d stuck with that instead of Valdemar so much… the Valdemar stuff just got old after a while!

      10. My first Changeling PC (James Michael “Jimi” Hendrix) was a swordfighting Rennie who drove a psychic steed/mororcycle and fought crime (eventually with a Mind reading perky-goff Malk girlfriend).


      11. I had a brief Elves + Psychics + Magic + Motorcycles phase. Yep, in Jr. High I thought Elves on Motorcycles were so awesome.

        I think the book that snapped me out to my senses and stopped me from reading her was the first Bardic Voices book.

  3. And the Hugo goes to…

    As for who makes these lists, I’m pretty sure it’s taken largely from the Hugo awards:


    I’ve read about half of these and I have to say, I agree for the most part. I’m sad not to see some books like certain Rober Jordan books or George Martin books on the list but at the same time, neither of those series introduced anything new to the genre.

    1. The Lord of the Rings, J.R.R. Tolkien
    2. The Foundation Trilogy, Isaac Asimov
    3. Dune, Frank Herbert
    4. Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert A. Heinlein
    6. Neuromancer, William Gibson
    8. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, Philip K. Dick
    10. Fahrenheit 451, Ray Bradbury
    13. The Caves of Steel, Isaac Asimov
    22. Ender’s Game, Orson Scott Card
    24. The Forever War, Joe Haldeman
    26. Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, J.K. Rowling
    27. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams
    29. Interview with the Vampire, Anne Rice
    30. The Left Hand of Darkness, Ursula K. Le Guin
    33. The Man in the High Castle, Philip K. Dick
    38. Rendezvous with Rama, Arthur C. Clarke
    39. Ringworld, Larry Niven
    41. The Silmarillion, J.R.R. Tolkien
    42. Slaughterhouse-5, Kurt Vonnegut
    43. Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson
    46. Starship Troopers, Robert A. Heinlein
    50. To Your Scattered Bodies Go, Philip Jose Farmer

  4. Hi,

    a very good story indeed. I have to admit that I hate the idea of Rose and Doctor as a pairing, I mean as anything more than platonic. It just seems so wrong… And I never noticed any tension either. In fact I clicked the link to prove myself right about the fact that all the Rose/Doctor stories are badfics written by deluded teenagers. But hell, this is a good piece of writing, I think you proved me wrong. The plot, following the adventures of Fourth and changing the season two completely, is very interesting and you keep me hanging on the cliffhanger 🙂 I hope there is a part 8 coming soon.

    Keep up the good work,


    1. That is just about the best compliment I could possibly receive. Thank you so much. I’m very pleased you’re enjoying it, and I look forward to continuing your conversion!

  5. I am very much enjoying this fic. I love how it’s intelligent and funny and smart and *in-character* with how I believe Nine and Rose would have been if he hadn’t regenerated into Ten in canon.

    I’ve started tracking the post you made where you list all of the chapters. Do you think you’ll continue posting new chapters there so I (and anybody else who decides to track it) will be notified when you’ve written more?

    1. It really feels wonderful to hear that it comes across as being in-character. I enjoy some OOC fics well-enough, but I really love reading fics that capture what I loved about the characters on the show in believable ways. Thank you so much!

      I will be posting links to new chapters at the timeandchips entry, including a new one probably sometime tomorrow (grading pending).

      Thanks again!

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